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Forum Rules Started by Moderator IP Address 217.128.26.147	Posted: June 5, 2007 at 08:40

A few weeks ago, Jill and I posted a new set of rules for this forum. We felt that these rules were unambiguous. Nevertheless, over the last few weeks, there has been a considerable amount of discussion and argument about moderation of this site, so I feel that now is a good moment to repeat what is and is not acceptable. The rules are as follows: a) All posts must show respect for other people's opinions, and courtesy to other forum users. b) Forum members must try to remain ‘on-topic’ within a particular thread. c) This forum is provided to allow the exchange of ideas and experiences in relation to mrsa in pets. d) Other subjects may be discussed from time to time. However we reserve the right to remove any that look like dominating the whole forum, are repetitive, or which we think are inappropiate for this site. d) In particular, we will delete unsubstantiated accusations or claims against the veterinary profession, the petfood industry or academia (or anyone else for that matter). That is NOT to say that these things may not be discussed, or that accusations may not be made. Just that if they are, they had better be fully supported with verifiable facts which are available for all users of this site to see. e) The copying of content belonging to other websites, in whole or in part, is strictly forbidden. You may link to content belonging to other websites, provided that such content is not password-protected. To ensure that we stick by these standards, I am delighted to announce that this forum now has 2 moderators! I have already explained these rules in depth over the last few weeks, and I have explained in the past that we are unable to edit posts, only to delete them. For this reason, our policy from now on is simply to delete posts that break these rules, without any further explanation. We will also delete any posts that discuss deleted posts (these tend to go round in circles, and achieving nothing). If your post is deleted, you might like to reconsider your wording, and repost it in a way that you think will be acceptable for this site. Alternatively, you may wish to post it on another forum. 29449

Re: Forum Rules Reply #1 by Moderator IP Address 217.128.26.147	Posted: June 6, 2007 at 19:14

In the light of a few more posts that we've had to delete, I should also add that whilst the Bella Moss Foundation does try and reply to some of the posts on this forum, particularly about MRSA, the charity does not have the resources to reply to every one. If you are in urgent need of advice, please contact the number on the main website. 29454

Re: Forum Rules Reply #2 by John IP Address 130.209.6.41	Posted: October 2, 2007 at 19:15

May I suggest that the first point of call for urgent medical advice should be a veterinary surgery. This will allay the pressure on the foundation, and not leave it open to legal action from people who take the advice to contact you if urgent advice is needed. 29876

Re: Forum Rules Reply #3 by John IP Address 130.209.6.41	Posted: October 2, 2007 at 19:16

PS:- Where are the other six replies that the counter on the last page says are there? 29877

Re: Forum Rules Reply #4 by John IP Address 194.82.165.7	Posted: October 24, 2007 at 11:05

Re:- The rabies debate. Could you not have deleted certain posts instead of the whole thread? It was an interesting debate and Julie-2 wasn't THAT offensive! 30065

Re: Forum Rules Reply #5 by Julie-2 IP Address 81.107.36.22	Posted: October 24, 2007 at 16:18

That was a joke - right ?! Please tell me that wasn't a serious comment ? 30073

Re: Forum Rules Reply #6 by Moderator IP Address 91.108.192.99	Posted: October 24, 2007 at 21:08

This isn't a debate forum - the forum exists so that animals with MRSA have access to the veterinary specialists through the Bella Moss foundation. I will also delete posts which give "advice" along the lines of vaccination and pet food conspiracy. You know who you are! 30077

Re: Forum Rules Reply #7 by Julie-2 IP Address 81.107.36.22	Posted: October 24, 2007 at 22:02

So what you are saying, basically, is that this is now an 'allopathic only' forum, and is no longer open-minded. And you are also changing it so that people cannot have discussions about anything, unless it is directly mrsa-related - it would've been so much easier if you could've just come out with it and been straight from the start, without all the deleting. No wonder most of the holistically-minded people have left.... 30078

Re: Forum Rules Reply #8 by unicorn IP Address 82.3.211.24	Posted: October 24, 2007 at 23:21

So now we can't discuss anything other than MRSA? What's the point in contributing, we'll let you tell everyone else who posts about animal welfare in general to go somewhere else. 30079

Re: Forum Rules Reply #9 by unicorn IP Address 82.3.211.24	Posted: October 24, 2007 at 23:24

The title of this forum is: MRSA infection in pets and animals forum I suggest you change the title as it's misleading. 30081

Re: Forum Rules Reply #10 by unicorn IP Address 82.3.211.24	Posted: October 24, 2007 at 23:35

Julie-2 wrote: No wonder most of the holistically-minded people have left.... I would say most people have left, there's hardly anyone contributing at all, and if it wasn't for some of us, half the posts wouldn't even get a response 30084

Re: Forum Rules Reply #11 by John IP Address 194.82.165.7	Posted: October 25, 2007 at 13:32

Firstly, Julie-2, if you lot giving out unqualified advice were truly holistically minded people, you wouldn't be dismissing all medical preventative and curative medicine as evil. Secondly, unicorn, the title is accurate because not all animals are pets, so saying pets and animals is perfectly acceptable. And thirdly, if it wasn't for some people on this forum then I feel that a few more professional people would still be replying more often as they would not constantly be bogged down by these peoples circular, closed-minded, non-holistic (yes non-holistic !)arguments. I am not yet qualified to give out medical advice, and as such I don't. I have tried to show you compelling evidence in a few matters, and you have dismissed it as untrue because you believe everything is a massive conspiracy. I was warned not to come to this site, because of the vitriolic comments some people have made about others in my profession and I'm afraid that many highly intelligent and very well qualified and experienced people in the veterinary sector may have been scared off from the site, which is definitely not in anybodies interest. I am delighted that the moderators of the site are getting things fixed, so the site can live up to its potential. Well done whoever you are ! And Julie-2, unicorn, and Sheena, there are plenty of conspiracy forums out there that would thrive off your comments (unlike our companion animals or their owners) Peace, Love, Unity, & Respect John 30088

Re: Forum Rules Reply #12 by unicorn IP Address 82.3.211.24	Posted: October 25, 2007 at 13:40

John wrote: And thirdly, if it wasn't for some people on this forum then I feel that a few more professional people would still be replying more often as they would not constantly be bogged down by these peoples circular, closed-minded, non-holistic (yes non-holistic !)arguments. The fact that other professional people don't visit this forum has absolutely nothing to do with 'some people on this forum'. What a cop out! The fact that those in the veterinary profession (as far as I can see from this forum) are so closed to anything other than what they have been taught, is the real problem. John wrote: I was warned not to come to this site, because of the vitriolic comments some people have made about others in my profession and I'm afraid that many highly intelligent and very well qualified and experienced people in the veterinary sector may have been scared off from the site, which is definitely not in anybodies interest. What is that saying about the profession, being scared off just because some of us have other ways of doing things. Don't blame others as an excuse as to why those in the veterinary profession have been scared off. And for your information, I am not into conspiracy theories. I am into treating my animals as holistically as I can. What is your problem with that? And the fact that you think just because I choose to look at alternative ways of helping my animals, as someone who is into conspiracy theories, just highlights how little you know, and how you are not even willing to embrace that those in the medical profession do not have all the answers. 30089

Re: Forum Rules Reply #13 by unicorn IP Address 82.3.211.24	Posted: October 25, 2007 at 13:42

And I forgot to add, no-one is dissing all medical preventative and curative medicine as evil. That you don't like to be challenged, or even to admit there are also other ways of treating animals, is what's of most concern, so instead you make out that we are 'dissing' the conventional way of doing things. 30090

Re: Forum Rules Reply #14 by Julie-2 IP Address 81.107.36.22	Posted: October 25, 2007 at 13:42

Firstly, I, and many others on here have openly said before, on this forum, that everything has it's place, including allopathic medicene - what we don't agree with is that allopathic is touted as the 'be-all-and-end-all' and as the 'only way'. >> many highly intelligent and very well qualified and experienced people in the veterinary sector may have been scared off from the site That's a shame, but we have had that same level of vitriolic comments from the veterinary sector, many times unnecessarily, and we've had enough too, but the welfare of the animals comes first - so we take a break, get over it, and come back - because the animals come first and just because someone wants to be arrogant or defensive or nasty is no excuse to give up on the welfare of the animals - and if we left all this forum would be promoting would be drugs,nsaids,antibiotics etc. - which is obviously what they have decided they want the forum to do now - but owners should know there are others options and have a choice. 30091

Re: Forum Rules Reply #15 by John IP Address 194.82.165.7	Posted: October 25, 2007 at 14:35

Well unicorn, you have just made sweeping statements that you believe to be true, which is absolutely your right, but as long as everyone else realises that, I have no problem with it at all. However, I deal in hard facts, and have not let emotion cloud my judgement or arguments. People HAVE been scared off from using this forum, which is why it is now moderated, in the hope that more veterinary professionals will visit. Julie-2, I suspect that any negative comments coming from the direction of the veterinary sector probably came about because of the vitriolic postings made against vets and nurses on this very site. Its calming down now, which is great. I just hope the quality of argument improves. 30093

Re: Forum Rules Reply #16 by unicorn IP Address 82.3.211.24	Posted: October 25, 2007 at 14:44

You deal in scientific proof which is one way of obtaining facts. I am an animal communicator, dowser, and flower essences creator, so what I speak about is coming from the knowledge that I have personally got helping animals to heal. So I don't just pluck things from thin air. There is no emotion clouding my judgments either. I don't think anyone has been 'scared off'. More that those in the veterinary profession think they have all the answers and are not that open to other ways of working. Thankfully there are vets out there that will work with complementary therapists and they work well together. I am all for working with the veterinary profession, and to have understanding, but unless it comes from both sides, there will continue to be animosity. 30094

Re: Forum Rules Reply #17 by Julie-2 IP Address 81.107.36.22	Posted: October 25, 2007 at 15:13

>> I suspect that any negative comments coming from the direction of the veterinary sector probably came about because of the vitriolic postings made against vets and nurses on this very site. ** Read some of the high-volume threads from the list archives and you will see that is not true. 30095

Re: Forum Rules Reply #18 by Moderator IP Address 91.108.198.189	Posted: October 25, 2007 at 22:49

"So what you are saying, basically, is that this is now an 'allopathic only' forum" Not at all. I have simply clarified the purpose of this forum and my position on deleting posts which have, as of late, gone against the rules set out in the beginning of this thread. "And you are also changing it so that people cannot have discussions about anything, unless it is directly mrsa-related" Again, this is not true, read the actual rule this applies to : d) Other subjects may be discussed from time to time. However we reserve the right to remove any that look like dominating the whole forum, are repetitive, or which we think are inappropiate for this site. It is innappropriate to suggest to pet owners that their animals skin condition/itchy ears/cystitis "sounds like a vaccine reaction" or "is caused by the pet food you feed it". If an owner is concerned about their animal's MRSA then they can get in touch with Jill who can offer help through the Bella Moss Foundation. I would also like to draw your attention to the above rule : d) In particular, we will delete unsubstantiated accusations or claims against the veterinary profession, the petfood industry or academia (or anyone else for that matter). "No wonder most of the holistically-minded people have left...." And the vets, and the nurses...and to be honest it doesn't matter, because as I already stated, the purpose of this forum is to enable pet owners to ask for help, not for a big conventional medicine vs alternative medicine debate. "So now we can't discuss anything other than MRSA?" Again, read what I actually said, rather than jumping to conclusions. "I suggest you change the title as it's misleading." Firstly I don't have the authority to do that, and secondly, it is not misleading, because that is what the forum is about. " if it wasn't for some of us, half the posts wouldn't even get a response" This is the thing that some members of this forum are not understanding. It is not your job to offer a response! It is not up to you to advise someone with an animal what to do - and some of the advice I have seen during my time here has been dangerous. "The fact that those in the veterinary profession (as far as I can see from this forum) are so closed to anything other than what they have been taught, is the real problem" I know of many people in the veterinary profession who are willing to learn all about alternative remedies and would gladly discuss pros and cons - however not only is this forum an unacceptable place to have this discussion, there is also a very black and white view that comes across. A good example of this is referring to flea treatments as "poison" or "toxic" when this is completely subjective and a personal opinion. "and if we left all this forum would be promoting would be drugs,nsaids,antibiotics etc. - which is obviously what they have decided they want the forum to do now" This forum will not be used to promote drugs, or to promote holistic treatment, the only advice that should be given to someone who asks questions about their sick animal is - see a vet! A conventional vet, a homeopathic vet, or even see a dowsing animal psychic, it doesn't really matter because then the person really is free to make their own choice of "expert". To be given a vague history of itchy skin and start scaring the person into thinking "it must be the vaccines!" is wrong. "you have just made sweeping statements that you believe to be true, which is absolutely your right, but as long as everyone else realises that, I have no problem with it at all." This is a very good point and one I have tried to make before - your opinion is your own, and it should be posted as such, rather than stating it as fact. I hope this has made things clear to everyone that visits this forum, and I will re-iterate the original post which states that deleted posts will not be discussed. If you do not agree with the rules of this forum then I suggest you post elsewhere. Any further breaches will be deleted immediately. 30096

Re: Forum Rules Reply #19 by Moderator IP Address 91.108.210.25	Posted: July 21, 2008 at 18:55

I have recently had to delete an awful lot of posts, threads, and spam from this forum. Please could everybody either follow the rules or not post on this forum. 30847

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