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Canaural Death Started by Josh IP Address 74.98.112.133	Posted: October 16, 2006 at 18:24

Hello everyone, my cat had ear mites and was prescribed canaural, after giving the cat 5 drops as recommended, 30 seconds later my cat collapsed, i rushed it to the vet hospital and they worked on her for five hours resusitating her twice and she finally passed. I would never have given my cat this product if I knew that even one cat out there had a reaction like this. Has anyone else heard of this? 19229

Re: Canaural Death Reply #1 by Linda IP Address 217.44.129.89	Posted: October 16, 2006 at 22:21

Josh... Sorry to hear about your cat, what a devasting blow, I hope the vets on this forum can help you ? 19233

Re: Canaural Death Reply #2 by Josh IP Address 74.98.112.133	Posted: October 17, 2006 at 01:02

First thank-you for your support, I have been looking around on the internet for clues of what could have happened as the vets had no answer as to how this could have happened. My cat Smokey was only 4 years old and did the most peculiar this such as fetch on command, roll over, she helped me through some of the toughest times of my life after a severe sports injury, just her being around seemed to cheer me up. I guess it just helps to talk about it but I would not want anyone to have to see what I saw, this was not a peaceful medication reaction. I will always remember you Smokey your soul will live on. 19234

Re: Canaural Death Reply #3 by Sheena IP Address 195.93.21.1	Posted: October 17, 2006 at 08:22

Josh, I am very sorry to hear about your cat after being given Canaural. I was very concerned about my cat being given Canaural since he seemed to have a reaction to it in that his ears turned absolutely frighteningly scarlet and I phoned the Vet and he said he could be having a reaction to it and to stop giving it to him which I did. I was shocked when I read the data sheet that comes with Canaural and do not see the point of Vets giving things like this when there are other more natural ways to deal with ear mites as detailed in Richard Allports books. I feel that my cat getting Canaural did something to his ears because the next thing was that he had cancer in one of his ears and I have an article that says that giving ear drops like this changes the whole chemistry of the ear and can make the situation far worse. If animals were fed food other than pet food they would not get ear mites since only weak animals get ear mites according to Vet, Martin Goldstein, who says ear mites are the messenger that the cat's immune system is not strong and he says that changing the diet of cats with ear mites is vital ie. taking them off pet food. There are steroids in Canaural and when I phoned the VMD they said that neurological problems had been reported in cats given Canaural and other side effects and I wish my cat had never been given Canaural because I feel it is strange that he got cancer in his ear and that the Vet said the other ear was turning into cancer as well and said he should be put to sleep. I think Vets dish out Canaural, steroids and antibiotics far too much without dealing with what is really causing the illness whether it is ear mites or some other problem. I once got Canaural in my mouth after a young Vet got so much of it on my cat's head that the cat in fear was clinging to me and I got some of the Canural in my mouth and it seemed to anaesthetise my tongue and my GP had to be contacted. I am very sorry to hear about your cat. I hope you will report it to the VMD. 19237

Re: Canaural Death Reply #4 by Sheena IP Address 195.93.21.1	Posted: October 17, 2006 at 09:29

Josh, I know you probably have the number of the drug company that makes Canaural but just in case it is 01844 261030 since I am sure you would want them to know about what happened to the poor cat. I discussed my concerns with them about my cat being given Canaural some time ago. Even though I had said to my Vet I did not want my cat to have steroids she gave him Canaural and I only later found out that it had steroids and some terrible contra-indications when I decided to read the leaflet that comes with it. 19239

Re: Canaural Death Reply #5 by VN IP Address 164.11.204.52	Posted: October 17, 2006 at 13:40

If animals were fed food other than pet food they would not get ear mites since only weak animals get ear mites according to blah blah That's a load of rubbish - and it's unbelievable that you would bring this up when someone has just lost their cat and who may feel to blame already. Disgusting. 19246

Re: Canaural Death Reply #6 by Yvonne IP Address 62.253.128.15	Posted: October 17, 2006 at 14:25

Sorry to hear about your cat, Josh. We are so brainwashed when vets sell commercial petfood, and recommend it, that we don't realise how bad a diet it is for our animals, and it is compromising the animals body to deal with other issues and leads to so much illness. Have you got your vet to report this incident to the drug company ? Isn't it terrible, you should be able to trust that what is used and recommended is in your pets best interests - not going to harm it! 19250

Re: Canaural Death Reply #7 by If only! IP Address 217.44.56.34	Posted: October 17, 2006 at 22:08

Sheena Posted: October 6, 2006 at 18:09 I said I will not talk about pet food any more 19261

Re: Canaural Death Reply #8 by Anon7 IP Address 62.253.32.8	Posted: October 17, 2006 at 23:47

Josh I am so sorry 2 hear about ur loss. Ask ur vet 2 report this 2 the drug company also you contact the company. Try and stay strong. 19262

Re: Canaural Death Reply #9 by RIP Smokey IP Address 62.253.32.8	Posted: October 17, 2006 at 23:51

Sheena I do not wish 2 upset you please do not take offence but please lay off the food subject it was not the food that caused what happened it seems 2 be the Canaural ear drops. I totaly agree with u about natural foods but this is not the time, Josh needs all our support and he is seeking understanding why his beloved pet has passed away let us all try and help find out if the Canaural ear drops caused Smokey’s passing. 19263

Re: Canaural Death Reply #10 by Sheena IP Address 195.93.21.1	Posted: October 18, 2006 at 07:59

The reason I posted is because I too am concerned about Canaural eardrops and the company that make them have not said that it is impossible that my cat got cancer in his ear after being given Canaural although they did say they had not heard of it before. Nasty VN, Pat McKay who is an animal nutritionist says in her book that feeding pet food causes ear problems as does Vet, Martin Goldstein. I only wanted to help Josh since I know he must be shocked about what happened to his cat. 19268

Re: Canaural Death Reply #11 by ex vet IP Address 82.14.88.199	Posted: October 18, 2006 at 08:44

I have never seen or heard of an instant and fatal reaction to canaural ear drops such as this. The prescribing vet should fill in a yellow adverse reaction form. Sheena, it is not possible to state that ear canal cancer will definately not occur following the use of canaural ear drops. whether it is connected or not is another matter, and not proveable one way or the other. Canaural ear drops are a first line attack for infected/inflammed external ear canals in many practices, and used to be my prefered treatment as a first treatment. We did not have a long list of cases of ear canal cancer following its use, similarly we had cases in animals that had not had canaural. I used to prefer taking swabs from bad ears to look for and identify bacteria, yeasts, mites - then treat accordingly. 19269

Re: Canaural Death Reply #12 by VN IP Address 85.210.139.147	Posted: October 18, 2006 at 11:30

Sheena - trying to lay blame with an owner for feeding pet food (which you don't even know that they did anyway) when they have come here looking for support and now may be feeling guilty that the pet food caused the death of their cat is absolutely disgraceful. It has nothing to do with being a 'nasty VN' at all. I am disgusted that you could make such a suggestion and am trying to offer support to the cat's poor owner. If that's your idea of being nasty, you have serious issues. Josh and family - please ignore Sheena's cruel posting. Just because 1 random internet vet and 1 random supposed nutritionist say something does not make it gospel. Sheena has no idea how to weigh up evidence, pulls things off the web which are not reliable or valid, and her blanket generalisations are a danger to pet owners. 19276

Re: Canaural Death Reply #13 by Julie-2 IP Address 62.253.128.15	Posted: October 18, 2006 at 11:50

>>Just because 1 random internet vet and 1 random supposed nutritionist say something does not make it gospel. You need to do your homework - there is a whole lot more evidence than just that, that what sheena says 'is' right. You are just not interested and trying to belittle because you probably sell the awful stuff. >>Sheena has no idea how to weigh up evidence, pulls things off the web which are not reliable or valid, and her blanket generalisations are a danger to pet owners. Your post WAS nasty, you are in no position to start 'thinking' you know enough to make the above comments, and you're talking utter rubbish. ** Very interesting to note, I did not read Sheena's post to mean the same as you - did you not realise that it is very easy to misread intentions and meanings on the web since you cannot see the facial expressions that go alongside it ? The general rule is, when you read something which puts your back up, reread it again at least five times and think about how many different ways it might have been meant before you make an ass out of yourself jumping in on it. 19280

Re: Canaural Death Reply #14 by RIP Smokey IP Address 62.253.32.8	Posted: October 18, 2006 at 12:11

Josh This is the address, telephone and medications details. Canaural Ear Drops VetXX Ltd, The Malthouse, Mill Lane, Scotsgrove, Thame, Oxon, OX9 3RP. Telephone Number: 01844 261030 Canaural Ear Drops: Each gram contains: Diethanolamine fusidate BPC 1968 5 mg Framycetin sulphate PhEur 5 mg Nystatin PhEur 100,000 Units Prednisolone PhEur 2.5 mg Uses Canaural Ear Drops are effective against the micro-organisms commonly associated with otitis externa, including the ear mite, Otodectes cynotis, and are specifically formulated for the treatment of otitis externa in the dog and cat. Fusidic acid (present in Canaural as the diethanolamine salt) is an antibiotic which is highly active against staphylococci, the most commonly found bacterial pathogen in otitis externa in the dog and cat. Fusidic acid has skin penetrating properties which enhances its antibacterial properties. Framycetin sulphate is a broad spectrum antibiotic which has been incorporated for its activity against Gram negative organisms associated with otitis externa, in particular Pseudomonas spp. and Proteus spp. Nystatin is highly active against yeasts. The yeast, Malassezia pachydermatis, is associated with otitis externa in the dog and cat either by itself or with other organisms. Clinical trials have demonstrated that Canaural is effective in the treatment of the ear mite Otodectes cynotis in the dog and cat. The mode of action is uncertain as none of the components in Canaural have recognised acaricidal activity. Prednisolone is incorporated for its anti-inflammatory and anti-pruritic activity. All four active ingredients are suspended in oil. A bland oil is used which softens and dissolves ceruminous material and readily penetrates the ear canal. Additionally, the oil used does not matt the hair around the ear, which would prove objectionable to both animal and owner. Canaural Ear Drops: Contra-indications, warnings. For Animal Treatment Only. To be used under veterinary supervision. For external use only. Do not use in animals with a perforated eardrum. Do not use concomitantly with products known to be ototoxic. Not recommended for use in pregnant animals. Anti-inflammatory corticosteroids such as prednisolone are known to exert a wide range of side effects. Dosage in medium to long term use should therefore generally be kept to the minimum. During therapy effective doses suppress the hypothalamo-pituitreal-adrenal axis. Following cessation of treatment symptoms of adrenal insufficiency can arise and this may render the animal unable to deal adequately with stressful situations. Corticosteroids may delay wound healing and the immunosuppressant actions may weaken resistance to, or exacerbate existing infections. Cats may react with ataxia, nystagmus, deafness if the tympanum is perforated. Where ear mite infection is present, consideration should be given to treating both ears, even if the infection is apparent in only one. Treatment should continue for at least 3 weeks to ensure that the successive generations of ear mites are killed. In contact animals should also be treated. Following recovery the ears should be checked at regular intervals for any sign of re-infection. Where treatment is for a period longer than 7 days regular clinical re-evaluation should be carried out. Where Gram negative infections are involved, the use of the product should be based on bacterial sensitivity testing. In cases where the treatment period is prolonged, in vitro sensitivity should be re-evaluated. During a course of treatment the situation should be reviewed frequently by close veterinary supervision. Certain individuals have had skin irritancy/contact allergies from using similar products. Avoid using this product if you have a known sensitivity to either this product or any of the ingredients used in this product. Avoid skin contact with this product and wash hands thoroughly after applying. In the case of accidental eye contact, rinse thoroughly with water and seek medical advice. http://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/VetXX_Ltd/Canaural_Ear_Drops/-36465.html 19284

Re: Canaural Death Reply #15 by Sheena IP Address 195.93.21.1	Posted: October 18, 2006 at 14:05

Julie-2, you are right. VN is completely wrong to say that I read things on the internet and believe them since almost all of what I have ever said is what Vets have said in books they have written eg. Martin Goldstein is an American Vet and I have his book in which he categorically says that ear mites take hold because the cat has a weak immune system because it is fed pet food. VN shows no sympathy for the distress I have gone through at seeing cancer in my cats, kidney failure and struvite which killed my cat and VN is wrong because I am in frequent contact with various Vets who support the campaign against pet food and so I am not just talking rubbish. A Vet came with me to the House of Commons meeting about the pet food issue so VN is completely wrong to think that I am not backed by a number of Vets and indeed I am only saying what many of them said in the first place ie. they educated me. 19286

Re: Canaural Death Reply #16 by ex vet IP Address 82.2.48.250	Posted: October 18, 2006 at 15:17

I am not aware of any evidence that pet food reduces immunity directly leading to an infestation of ear mites. I've seen ear mites in stray and feral animals that are not fed pet food - please explain? 19288

Re: Canaural Death Reply #17 by :-) IP Address 217.44.56.34	Posted: October 18, 2006 at 18:14

VN is completely wrong to say that I read things on the internet and believe them since almost all of what I have ever said is what Vets have said in books If it's in a book it must be true! 19296

Re: Canaural Death Reply #18 by VN2 IP Address 85.210.139.147	Posted: October 18, 2006 at 18:17

Sheena and Julie-2, just keep taking the tablets, everything will be OK. 19297

Re: Canaural Death Reply #19 by vet IP Address 81.79.76.225	Posted: October 18, 2006 at 20:08

in which he categorically says that ear mites take hold because the cat has a weak immune system because it is fed pet food. Sheena. Perhaps you would like to try an experiment. Insert into one ear a small number of ear mites from an infected cat. Tell me if they survive in your ear whilst eating nothing but raw food. 19307

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